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NAME
    perlfaq8 - System Interaction ($Revision: 1.15 $)

DESCRIPTION
    This section of the Perl FAQ covers questions involving
    operating system interaction. This involves interprocess
    communication (IPC), control over the user-interface
    (keyboard, screen and pointing devices), and most anything
    else not related to data manipulation.

    Read the FAQs and documentation specific to the port of perl
    to your operating system (eg, the perlvms manpage, the
    perlplan9 manpage, ...). These should contain more detailed
    information on the vagaries of your perl.

  How do I find out which operating system I'm running under?

    The $^O variable ($OSTYPE if you use English) contains the
    operating system that your perl binary was built for.

  How come exec() doesn't return?

    Because that's what it does: it replaces your currently
    running program with a different one. If you want to keep
    going (as is probably the case if you're asking this question)
    use system() instead.

  How do I do fancy stuff with the keyboard/screen/mouse?

    How you access/control keyboards, screens, and pointing
    devices ("mice") is system-dependent. Try the following
    modules:

    Keyboard
            Term::Cap                   Standard perl distribution
            Term::ReadKey               CPAN
            Term::ReadLine::Gnu         CPAN
            Term::ReadLine::Perl        CPAN
            Term::Screen                CPAN

    Screen
            Term::Cap                   Standard perl distribution
            Curses                      CPAN
            Term::ANSIColor             CPAN

    Mouse
            Tk                          CPAN

  How do I ask the user for a password?

    (This question has nothing to do with the web. See a different
    FAQ for that.)

    There's an example of this in the "crypt" entry in the
    perlfunc manpage). First, you put the terminal into "no echo"
    mode, then just read the password normally. You may do this
    with an old-style ioctl() function, POSIX terminal control
    (see the POSIX manpage, and Chapter 7 of the Camel), or a call
    to the stty program, with varying degrees of portability.

    You can also do this for most systems using the Term::ReadKey
    module from CPAN, which is easier to use and in theory more
    portable.

  How do I read and write the serial port?

    This depends on which operating system your program is running
    on. In the case of Unix, the serial ports will be accessible
    through files in /dev; on other systems, the devices names
    will doubtless differ. Several problem areas common to all
    device interaction are the following

    lockfiles
        Your system may use lockfiles to control multiple access.
        Make sure you follow the correct protocol. Unpredictable
        behaviour can result from multiple processes reading from
        one device.

    open mode
        If you expect to use both read and write operations on the
        device, you'll have to open it for update (see the section
        on "open" in the perlfunc manpage for details). You may
        wish to open it without running the risk of blocking by
        using sysopen() and `O_RDWR|O_NDELAY|O_NOCTTY' from the
        Fcntl module (part of the standard perl distribution). See
        the section on "sysopen" in the perlfunc manpage for more
        on this approach.

    end of line
        Some devices will be expecting a "\r" at the end of each
        line rather than a "\n". In some ports of perl, "\r" and
        "\n" are different from their usual (Unix) ASCII values of
        "\012" and "\015". You may have to give the numeric values
        you want directly, using octal ("\015"), hex ("0x0D"), or
        as a control-character specification ("\cM").

            print DEV "atv1\012";       # wrong, for some devices
            print DEV "atv1\015";       # right, for some devices

        Even though with normal text files, a "\n" will do the
        trick, there is still no unified scheme for terminating a
        line that is portable between Unix, DOS/Win, and
        Macintosh, except to terminate *ALL* line ends with
        "\015\012", and strip what you don't need from the output.
        This applies especially to socket I/O and autoflushing,
        discussed next.

    flushing output
        If you expect characters to get to your device when you
        print() them, you'll want to autoflush that filehandle, as
        in the older

            use FileHandle;
            DEV->autoflush(1);

        and the newer

            use IO::Handle;
            DEV->autoflush(1);

        You can use select() and the `$|' variable to control
        autoflushing (see the section on "$|" in the perlvar
        manpage and the "select" entry in the perlfunc manpage):

            $oldh = select(DEV);
            $| = 1;
            select($oldh);

        You'll also see code that does this without a temporary
        variable, as in

            select((select(DEV), $| = 1)[0]);

        As mentioned in the previous item, this still doesn't work
        when using socket I/O between Unix and Macintosh. You'll
        need to hardcode your line terminators, in that case.

    non-blocking input
        If you are doing a blocking read() or sysread(), you'll
        have to arrange for an alarm handler to provide a timeout
        (see the "alarm" entry in the perlfunc manpage). If you
        have a non-blocking open, you'll likely have a non-
        blocking read, which means you may have to use a 4-arg
        select() to determine whether I/O is ready on that device
        (see the section on "select" in the perlfunc manpage.

  How do I decode encrypted password files?

    You spend lots and lots of money on dedicated hardware, but
    this is bound to get you talked about.

    Seriously, you can't if they are Unix password files - the
    Unix password system employs one-way encryption. Programs like
    Crack can forcibly (and intelligently) try to guess passwords,
    but don't (can't) guarantee quick success.

    If you're worried about users selecting bad passwords, you
    should proactively check when they try to change their
    password (by modifying passwd(1), for example).

  How do I start a process in the background?

    You could use

        system("cmd &")

    or you could use fork as documented in the section on "fork"
    in the perlfunc manpage, with further examples in the perlipc
    manpage. Some things to be aware of, if you're on a Unix-like
    system:

    STDIN, STDOUT and STDERR are shared
        Both the main process and the backgrounded one (the
        "child" process) share the same STDIN, STDOUT and STDERR
        filehandles. If both try to access them at once, strange
        things can happen. You may want to close or reopen these
        for the child. You can get around this with `open'ing a
        pipe (see the section on "open" in the perlfunc manpage)
        but on some systems this means that the child process
        cannot outlive the parent.

    Signals
        You'll have to catch the SIGCHLD signal, and possibly
        SIGPIPE too. SIGCHLD is sent when the backgrounded process
        finishes. SIGPIPE is sent when you write to a filehandle
        whose child process has closed (an untrapped SIGPIPE can
        cause your program to silently die). This is not an issue
        with `system("cmd&")'.

    Zombies
        You have to be prepared to "reap" the child process when
        it finishes

            $SIG{CHLD} = sub { wait };

        See the section on "Signals" in the perlipc manpage for
        other examples of code to do this. Zombies are not an
        issue with `system("prog &")'.

  How do I trap control characters/signals?

    You don't actually "trap" a control character. Instead, that
    character generates a signal, which you then trap. Signals are
    documented in the section on "Signals" in the perlipc manpage
    and chapter 6 of the Camel.

    Be warned that very few C libraries are re-entrant. Therefore,
    if you attempt to print() in a handler that got invoked during
    another stdio operation your internal structures will likely
    be in an inconsistent state, and your program will dump core.
    You can sometimes avoid this by using syswrite() instead of
    print().

    Unless you're exceedingly careful, the only safe things to do
    inside a signal handler are: set a variable and exit. And in
    the first case, you should only set a variable in such a way
    that malloc() is not called (eg, by setting a variable that
    already has a value).

    For example:

        $Interrupted = 0;   # to ensure it has a value
        $SIG{INT} = sub {
            $Interrupted++;
            syswrite(STDERR, "ouch\n", 5);
        }

    However, because syscalls restart by default, you'll find that
    if you're in a "slow" call, such as <FH>, read(), connect(),
    or wait(), that the only way to terminate them is by
    "longjumping" out; that is, by raising an exception. See the
    time-out handler for a blocking flock() in the section on
    "Signals" in the perlipc manpage or chapter 6 of the Camel.

  How do I modify the shadow password file on a Unix system?

    If perl was installed correctly, the getpw*() functions
    described in the perlfunc manpage provide (read-only) access
    to the shadow password file. To change the file, make a new
    shadow password file (the format varies from system to system
    - see the passwd(5) manpage for specifics) and use pwd_mkdb(8)
    to install it (see the pwd_mkdb(5) manpage for more details).

  How do I set the time and date?

    Assuming you're running under sufficient permissions, you
    should be able to set the system-wide date and time by running
    the date(1) program. (There is no way to set the time and date
    on a per-process basis.) This mechanism will work for Unix,
    MS-DOS, Windows, and NT; the VMS equivalent is `set time'.

    However, if all you want to do is change your timezone, you
    can probably get away with setting an environment variable:

        $ENV{TZ} = "MST7MDT";                  # unixish
        $ENV{'SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL'}="-5" # vms
        system "trn comp.lang.perl";

  How can I sleep() or alarm() for under a second?

    If you want finer granularity than the 1 second that the
    sleep() function provides, the easiest way is to use the
    select() function as documented in the section on "select" in
    the perlfunc manpage. If your system has itimers and syscall()
    support, you can check out the old example in
    http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/misc/ancient/tutorial/eg/itimers.
    pl .

  How can I measure time under a second?

    In general, you may not be able to. The Time::HiRes module
    (available from CPAN) provides this functionality for some
    systems.

    In general, you may not be able to. But if you system supports
    both the syscall() function in Perl as well as a system call
    like gettimeofday(2), then you may be able to do something
    like this:

        require 'sys/syscall.ph';

        $TIMEVAL_T = "LL";

        $done = $start = pack($TIMEVAL_T, ());

        syscall( &SYS_gettimeofday, $start, 0)) != -1
                   or die "gettimeofday: $!";

           ##########################
           # DO YOUR OPERATION HERE #
           ##########################

        syscall( &SYS_gettimeofday, $done, 0) != -1
               or die "gettimeofday: $!";

        @start = unpack($TIMEVAL_T, $start);
        @done  = unpack($TIMEVAL_T, $done);

        # fix microseconds
        for ($done[1], $start[1]) { $_ /= 1_000_000 }

        $delta_time = sprintf "%.4f", ($done[0]  + $done[1]  )
                                                -
                                     ($start[0] + $start[1] );

  How can I do an atexit() or setjmp()/longjmp()? (Exception handling)

    Release 5 of Perl added the END block, which can be used to
    simulate atexit(). Each package's END block is called when the
    program or thread ends (see the perlmod manpage manpage for
    more details). It isn't called when untrapped signals kill the
    program, though, so if you use END blocks you should also use

            use sigtrap qw(die normal-signals);

    Perl's exception-handling mechanism is its eval() operator.
    You can use eval() as setjmp and die() as longjmp. For details
    of this, see the section on signals, especially the time-out
    handler for a blocking flock() in the section on "Signals" in
    the perlipc manpage and chapter 6 of the Camel.

    If exception handling is all you're interested in, try the
    exceptions.pl library (part of the standard perl
    distribution).

    If you want the atexit() syntax (and an rmexit() as well), try
    the AtExit module available from CPAN.

  Why doesn't my sockets program work under System V (Solaris)? What does the error message "Protocol not supported" mean?

    Some Sys-V based systems, notably Solaris 2.X, redefined some
    of the standard socket constants. Since these were constant
    across all architectures, they were often hardwired into perl
    code. The proper way to deal with this is to "use Socket" to
    get the correct values.

    Note that even though SunOS and Solaris are binary compatible,
    these values are different. Go figure.

  How can I call my system's unique C functions from Perl?

    In most cases, you write an external module to do it - see the
    answer to "Where can I learn about linking C with Perl? [h2xs,
    xsubpp]". However, if the function is a system call, and your
    system supports syscall(), you can use the syscall function
    (documented in the perlfunc manpage).

    Remember to check the modules that came with your
    distribution, and CPAN as well - someone may already have
    written a module to do it.

  Where do I get the include files to do ioctl() or syscall()?

    Historically, these would be generated by the h2ph tool, part
    of the standard perl distribution. This program converts
    cpp(1) directives in C header files to files containing
    subroutine definitions, like &SYS_getitimer, which you can use
    as arguments to your functions. It doesn't work perfectly, but
    it usually gets most of the job done. Simple files like
    errno.h, syscall.h, and socket.h were fine, but the hard ones
    like ioctl.h nearly always need to hand-edited. Here's how to
    install the *.ph files:

        1.  become super-user
        2.  cd /usr/include
        3.  h2ph *.h */*.h

    If your system supports dynamic loading, for reasons of
    portability and sanity you probably ought to use h2xs (also
    part of the standard perl distribution). This tool converts C
    header files to Perl extensions. See the perlxstut manpage for
    how to get started with h2xs.

    If your system doesn't support dynamic loading, you still
    probably ought to use h2xs. See the perlxstut manpage and the
    ExtUtils::MakeMaker manpage for more information (in brief,
    just use make perl instead of a plain make to rebuild perl
    with a new static extension).

  Why do setuid perl scripts complain about kernel problems?

    Some operating systems have bugs in the kernel that make
    setuid scripts inherently insecure. Perl gives you a number of
    options (described in the perlsec manpage) to work around such
    systems.

  How can I open a pipe both to and from a command?

    The IPC::Open2 module (part of the standard perl distribution)
    is an easy-to-use approach that internally uses pipe(),
    fork(), and exec() to do the job. Make sure you read the
    deadlock warnings in its documentation, though (see the
    IPC::Open2 manpage).

  How can I capture STDERR from an external command?

    There are three basic ways of running external commands:

        system $cmd;                # using system()
        $output = `$cmd`;           # using backticks (``)
        open (PIPE, "cmd |");       # using open()

    With system(), both STDOUT and STDERR will go the same place
    as the script's versions of these, unless the command
    redirects them. Backticks and open() read only the STDOUT of
    your command.

    With any of these, you can change file descriptors before the
    call:

        open(STDOUT, ">logfile");
        system("ls");

    or you can use Bourne shell file-descriptor redirection:

        $output = `$cmd 2>some_file`;
        open (PIPE, "cmd 2>some_file |");

    You can also use file-descriptor redirection to make STDERR a
    duplicate of STDOUT:

        $output = `$cmd 2>&1`;
        open (PIPE, "cmd 2>&1 |");

    Note that you *cannot* simply open STDERR to be a dup of
    STDOUT in your Perl program and avoid calling the shell to do
    the redirection. This doesn't work:

        open(STDERR, ">&STDOUT");
        $alloutput = `cmd args`;  # stderr still escapes

    This fails because the open() makes STDERR go to where STDOUT
    was going at the time of the open(). The backticks then make
    STDOUT go to a string, but don't change STDERR (which still
    goes to the old STDOUT).

    Note that you *must* use Bourne shell (sh(1)) redirection
    syntax in backticks, not csh(1)! Details on why Perl's
    system() and backtick and pipe opens all use the Bourne shell
    are in
    http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/FMTEYEWTK/versus/csh.whynot .

    You may also use the IPC::Open3 module (part of the standard
    perl distribution), but be warned that it has a different
    order of arguments from IPC::Open2 (see the IPC::Open3
    manpage).

  Why doesn't open() return an error when a pipe open fails?

    It does, but probably not how you expect it to. On systems
    that follow the standard fork()/exec() paradigm (eg, Unix), it
    works like this: open() causes a fork(). In the parent, open()
    returns with the process ID of the child. The child exec()s
    the command to be piped to/from. The parent can't know whether
    the exec() was successful or not - all it can return is
    whether the fork() succeeded or not. To find out if the
    command succeeded, you have to catch SIGCHLD and wait() to get
    the exit status.

    On systems that follow the spawn() paradigm, open() *might* do
    what you expect - unless perl uses a shell to start your
    command. In this case the fork()/exec() description still
    applies.

  What's wrong with using backticks in a void context?

    Strictly speaking, nothing. Stylistically speaking, it's not a
    good way to write maintainable code because backticks have a
    (potentially humungous) return value, and you're ignoring it.
    It's may also not be very efficient, because you have to read
    in all the lines of output, allocate memory for them, and then
    throw it away. Too often people are lulled to writing:

        `cp file file.bak`;

    And now they think "Hey, I'll just always use backticks to run
    programs." Bad idea: backticks are for capturing a program's
    output; the system() function is for running programs.

    Consider this line:

        `cat /etc/termcap`;

    You haven't assigned the output anywhere, so it just wastes
    memory (for a little while). Plus you forgot to check `$?' to
    see whether the program even ran correctly. Even if you wrote

        print `cat /etc/termcap`;

    In most cases, this could and probably should be written as

        system("cat /etc/termcap") == 0
            or die "cat program failed!";

    Which will get the output quickly (as its generated, instead
    of only at the end ) and also check the return value.

    system() also provides direct control over whether shell
    wildcard processing may take place, whereas backticks do not.

  How can I call backticks without shell processing?

    This is a bit tricky. Instead of writing

        @ok = `grep @opts '$search_string' @filenames`;

    You have to do this:

        my @ok = ();
        if (open(GREP, "-|")) {
            while (<GREP>) {
                chomp;
                push(@ok, $_);
            }
            close GREP;
        } else {
            exec 'grep', @opts, $search_string, @filenames;
        }

    Just as with system(), no shell escapes happen when you exec()
    a list.

  Why can't my script read from STDIN after I gave it EOF (^D on Unix, ^Z on MSDOS)?

    Because some stdio's set error and eof flags that need
    clearing. The POSIX module defines clearerr() that you can
    use. That is the technically correct way to do it. Here are
    some less reliable workarounds:

    1   Try keeping around the seekpointer and go there, like this:

            $where = tell(LOG);
            seek(LOG, $where, 0);

    2   If that doesn't work, try seeking to a different part of the
        file and then back.

    3   If that doesn't work, try seeking to a different part of the
        file, reading something, and then seeking back.

    4   If that doesn't work, give up on your stdio package and use
        sysread.

  How can I convert my shell script to perl?

    Learn Perl and rewrite it. Seriously, there's no simple
    converter. Things that are awkward to do in the shell are easy
    to do in Perl, and this very awkwardness is what would make a
    shell->perl converter nigh-on impossible to write. By
    rewriting it, you'll think about what you're really trying to
    do, and hopefully will escape the shell's pipeline datastream
    paradigm, which while convenient for some matters, causes many
    inefficiencies.

  Can I use perl to run a telnet or ftp session?

    Try the Net::FTP and TCP::Client modules (available from
    CPAN).
    http://www.perl.com/CPAN/scripts/netstuff/telnet.emul.shar
    will also help for emulating the telnet protocol.

  How can I write expect in Perl?

    Once upon a time, there was a library called chat2.pl (part of
    the standard perl distribution), which never really got
    finished. These days, your best bet is to look at the Comm.pl
    library available from CPAN.

  Is there a way to hide perl's command line from programs such as "ps"?

    First of all note that if you're doing this for security
    reasons (to avoid people seeing passwords, for example) then
    you should rewrite your program so that critical information
    is never given as an argument. Hiding the arguments won't make
    your program completely secure.

    To actually alter the visible command line, you can assign to
    the variable $0 as documented in the perlvar manpage. This
    won't work on all operating systems, though. Daemon programs
    like sendmail place their state there, as in:

        $0 = "orcus [accepting connections]";

  I {changed directory, modified my environment} in a perl script.  How come the change disappeared when I exited the script?  How do I get my changes to be visible?

    Unix
        In the strictest sense, it can't be done -- the script
        executes as a different process from the shell it was
        started from. Changes to a process are not reflected in
        its parent, only in its own children created after the
        change. There is shell magic that may allow you to fake it
        by eval()ing the script's output in your shell; check out
        the comp.unix.questions FAQ for details.

    VMS Change to %ENV persist after Perl exits, but directory changes
        do not.

  How do I close a process's filehandle without waiting for it to complete?

    Assuming your system supports such things, just send an
    appropriate signal to the process (see the section on "kill"
    in the perlfunc manpage. It's common to first send a TERM
    signal, wait a little bit, and then send a KILL signal to
    finish it off.

  How do I fork a daemon process?

    If by daemon process you mean one that's detached
    (disassociated from its tty), then the following process is
    reported to work on most Unixish systems. Non-Unix users
    should check their Your_OS::Process module for other
    solutions.

    *   Open /dev/tty and use the the TIOCNOTTY ioctl on it. See the
        tty(4) manpage for details.

    *   Change directory to /

    *   Reopen STDIN, STDOUT, and STDERR so they're not connected to
        the old tty.

    *   Background yourself like this:

            fork && exit;

  How do I make my program run with sh and csh?

    See the eg/nih script (part of the perl source distribution).

  How do I keep my own module/library directory?

    When you build modules, use the PREFIX option when generating
    Makefiles:

        perl Makefile.PL PREFIX=/u/mydir/perl

    then either set the PERL5LIB environment variable before you
    run scripts that use the modules/libraries (see the perlrun
    manpage) or say

        use lib '/u/mydir/perl';

    See Perl's the lib manpage for more information.

  How do I find out if I'm running interactively or not?

    Good question. Sometimes `-t STDIN' and `-t STDOUT' can give
    clues, sometimes not.

        if (-t STDIN && -t STDOUT) {
            print "Now what? ";
        }

    On POSIX systems, you can test whether your own process group
    matches the current process group of your controlling terminal
    as follows:

        use POSIX qw/getpgrp tcgetpgrp/;
        open(TTY, "/dev/tty") or die $!;
        $tpgrp = tcgetpgrp(TTY);
        $pgrp = getpgrp();
        if ($tpgrp == $pgrp) {
            print "foreground\n";
        } else {
            print "background\n";
        }

  How do I timeout a slow event?

    Use the alarm() function, probably in conjunction with a
    signal handler, as documented the section on "Signals" in the
    perlipc manpage and chapter 6 of the Camel. You may instead
    use the more flexible Sys::AlarmCall module available from
    CPAN.

  How do I set CPU limits?

    Use the BSD::Resource module from CPAN.

  How do I avoid zombies on a Unix system?

    Use the reaper code from the section on "Signals" in the
    perlipc manpage to call wait() when a SIGCHLD is received, or
    else use the double-fork technique described in the "fork"
    entry in the perlfunc manpage.

  How do I use an SQL database?

    There are a number of excellent interfaces to SQL databases.
    See the DBD::* modules available from
    http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/dbperl/DBD .

  How do I make a system() exit on control-C?

    You can't. You need to imitate the system() call (see the
    perlipc manpage for sample code) and then have a signal
    handler for the INT signal that passes the signal on to the
    subprocess.

  How do I open a file without blocking?

    If you're lucky enough to be using a system that supports non-
    blocking reads (most Unixish systems do), you need only to use
    the O_NDELAY or O_NONBLOCK flag from the Fcntl module in
    conjunction with sysopen():

        use Fcntl;
        sysopen(FH, "/tmp/somefile", O_WRONLY|O_NDELAY|O_CREAT, 0644)
            or die "can't open /tmp/somefile: $!":

  How do I install a CPAN module?

    The easiest way is to have the CPAN module do it for you. This
    module comes with perl version 5.004 and later. To manually
    install the CPAN module, or any well-behaved CPAN module for
    that matter, follow these steps:

    1   Unpack the source into a temporary area.

    2   perl Makefile.PL

    3   make

    4   make test

    5   make install

    If your version of perl is compiled without dynamic loading,
    then you just need to replace step 3 (make) with make perl and
    you will get a new perl binary with your extension linked in.

    See the ExtUtils::MakeMaker manpage for more details on
    building extensions.

AUTHOR AND COPYRIGHT
    Copyright (c) 1997 Tom Christiansen and Nathan Torkington. All
    rights reserved. See the perlfaq manpage for distribution
    information.

-- 
	Tom Christiansen	tchrist@jhereg.perl.com

    X-Windows: A mistake carried out to perfection.
	--Jamie Zawinski
